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LEUREN MORET - DU: A Scientific Perspective
 
United States  
DU: A Scientific Perspective/ An Interview With LEUREN MORET, Geoscientist  
By W. Leon Smith/Nathan Diebenow  
May 13, 2005, 07:20  
 
 
Interview Conducted  
By W. Leon Smith  
and Nathan Diebenow  
 
Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who works almost around the 
clock educating citizens, the media, members of parliaments 
and Congress and other officials on radiation issues. She 
became a whistleblower in 1991 at the Livermore Nuclear 
Weapons Lab after witnessing fraud on the Yucca Mountain 
Project. She is currently working as an independent citizen 
scientist and radiation specialist in communities around the 
world, and contributed to the U.N. subcommission investigating 
depleted uranium. According to Wikipedia online encyclopedia, 
Moret testified at the International Criminal Tribunal for 
Afghanistan in Japan in 2003, presented at the World Depleted 
Uranium Weapons Conference in Hamburg, Germany, and spoke at 
the World Court of Women at the World Social Forum in Bombay, 
India, in January 2004. 
 
THE INTERVIEW 
 
ICONOCLAST: What are the latest developments with reducing 
depleted uranium exposures on U.S. troops? 
 
MORET: A young veteran named Melissa Sterry of Connecticut has 
introduced a bill into the Connecticut Legislature requiring 
independent testing of returning Afghan and Gulf War veterans 
going back to 2001. She said that she did it because she's 
sick, and her friends are dead, and that's from serving in the 
2003 conflict. I have been following the bill and talking to 
her. Yesterday, she testified twice at the United Nations. I 
said, "Why don't we get this bill all over the U.S. in state 
legislatures because it informs the public and get the local 
media to cover it." 
 
The U.S. has blocked any accountability at international and 
national levels. There's a total cover-up just like with Agent 
Orange, the atomic veterans, MKULTRA, the mind control 
experiments the CIA did. This is more of the same, but the 
issue is much, much worse because the genetic future of all 
those contaminated is effected. Now vast regions around our 
world, as well as our atmosphere, are contaminated with the 
depleted uranium. They've used so much. It's the equivalent 
number of atoms, as the Japanese professor calculated it, to 
over 400,000 Nagasaki bombs that has been released into the 
atmosphere. That's really an underestimate. 
 
I went to Louisiana in April. I was invited to speak at the 
University of New Orleans for three days. One of the veterans 
asked me to be in their April 19 protest and rally through the 
City of New Orleans. He took the Connecticut bill straight to 
the Legislature, and he got two legislators to sponsor it, and 
he said, "Just whiteout the name 'Connecticut' and write in 
'Louisiana' on the bill." You're not going to believe it. It 
passed 101 to 0 yesterday inthe Louisiana House. 
 
I want you to write about it because we want it (the DU 
testing bill) in Texas. Nevada is going to introduce it. 
Congressman Jim McDermott is going to put it into the 
Washington legislature. We want to get the governor of Montana 
to do it because he's the first governor to demand his 
National Guard be returned. I think half of them are back. He 
said, "I need them in the state." 
 
The DU issue is just really, really, really, really so awful. 
I don't think there's any greater tragedy in the history of 
the world in what they've done. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Is there a danger of depleted uranium, being used 
in weaponry over there, spreading by air over here? 
 
MORET: The atmosphere globally is contaminated with it. It's 
completely mixed in one year. I'm an expert on atmospheric 
dust. I'm a geoscientist, a geologist, and that's what I 
studied and did my research on. It's really a fascinating 
subject. We have huge dust storms that are a million square 
miles and transport millions of tons of dust and sand every 
year around the world. 
 
The main centers of these dust storms are the Gobi Desert in 
China, which is where the Chinese did atmospheric testing, so 
that's all contaminated with radiation, and it gets 
transported right over Japan, and it comes straight across the 
Pacific and dumps all its sand and dust on the U.S., North 
America. It's loaded with radioactive isotopes, soot, 
pesticides, chemicals, pollution - everything is in it - 
fungi, bacteria, viruses. 
 
The Sahara Desert is another huge dust center, and it goes up 
all over Europe and straight across the Atlantic, to the 
Caribbean, and up the East Coast. Of course, you get it in 
Texas with those hurricanes. They all originate in the Sahara 
Desert. 
 
The third region is the Western United States, which is where 
the Nevada test site is located. We did 1,200 nuclear weapons 
tests there, so all this radiation that is already there, 
which is bad enough, has caused a global cancer epidemic since 
1945. All of that radiation was the equivalent of 40,000 
Nagasaki bombs. We're talking about 10 times more. 
 
In April of 2003, the World Health Organization said they 
expect global cancer rates to increase 50 percent by the year 
2020. 
 
Infant mortality is going up again all over the world. This is 
an indicator of the level of radioactive pollution. 
 
When the U.S. and Russia signed the partial test ban treaty in 
1963, the infant mortality rate started dropping again, which 
is normal. Now they are going up again. It's the global 
pollution with this radiation. 
 
ICONOCLAST: I had one of our correspondents send me a series 
of photographs of the Al-Asad dust storm in Iraq on April 28. 
 
MORET: That dust is what I'm talking about. 
 
ICONOCLAST: In the picture you can see a gigantic wall of 
sand. 
 
MORET: I have 16 pictures of that storm. They're posted with 
photos from Iraqi doctors of the children of people with 
cancer and leukemia. So what did you think of that dust storm? 
 
ICONOCLAST: I thought it was really dramatic. 
 
MORET: It remobilizes all the radiation, but those are the 
larger chunks. The DU burns at such high temperatures. It's a 
pyroforic metal which means it burns. The bullets and big 
caliber shells are actually on fire when they come out of the 
gun barrel because they are ignited by the friction in the gun 
barrel. Seventy percent of the DU metal becomes a metal vapor. 
It's actually a radioactive gas weapon and a terrain 
contaminant. 
 
I'll email you the URL of the 1943 memo to General Leslie 
Grove under the Manhattan Project. It's the blueprint for 
depleted uranium. They dropped the atomic bombs, but they did 
not use the DU weapons because they thought they were too 
horrific. 
 
I've toured and gone all over Japan with a pediatrician in 
Basra and an oncologist, a cancer specialist. These poor 
doctors - their whole families are dying of cancer. He has 10 
members of his family with cancer now that he's treating, and 
this is just from Gulf War I. They've used much, much, much 
more in 2003. All over the whole country. 
 
ICONOCLAST: What can soldiers expect when they come home? 
 
MORET: If they were in Bradley Fighting Vehicles, they're 
coming home with rectal cancer from sitting on ammunition 
boxes. The young women are reporting terrible problems with 
endometriosis. That's the lining of the uterus malfunctioning, 
and they just bleed and bleed and bleed. Some of them have 
uterine cancer - 18 and 19 and 20 year olds. 
 
The Army will not even diagnose it. They send them back to the 
battlefields. They won't treat them or diagnose them. A group 
of 20 soldiers pushed from Kuwait to Baghdad in 2003 in all 
the fighting. Eight of those 20 soldiers have malignancies. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Does exposure to depleted uranium effect their 
psychological background when they come home? 
 
MORET: Depleted uranium are these particles that form at very 
high temperatures. They are uranium oxides that are insoluble. 
They are at least 100 times smaller than a white blood cell, 
so when the soldiers breathe, they inhale them. The particles 
go through the nose, go through the olfactory and into the 
brain, and it messes up their cognitive abilities, thought 
processes. It damages their mood-control mechanism in the 
brain. Four soldiers at Fort Bragg came back from Afghanistan, 
and within two months, those four had murdered their wives. 
This is part of the damage to the brain from the radiation and 
the particles. 
 
The soldiers from Gulf War I in a group of 67 soldiers who 
came back, they had DU in their equipment, in their clothes, 
in their bodies, in their semen, and they had normal babies 
before they went over there to war. They came back, and the VA 
did a study. Of 251 Gulf War I veterans in Mississippi, in 67 
percent of them, thier babies born after the war were deemed 
to have severe birth defects. They had brains missing, arms 
and legs missing, organs missing. They were born without eyes. 
They had horrible blood diseases. It's horrific. If you want 
to look at something, Life magazine did a photo essay which is 
still on the Internet. It's called "The Tiny Victims of Desert 
Storm." You should look at that - oh, my God, the post-Gulf 
War babies playing with their brothers and sisters who are 
normal. 
 
Basically, it's like smoking crack, only you're smoking 
radioactive crack. It goes straight into the blood stream. 
It's carried all throughout the body into the bones, the bone 
marrow, the brain. It goes into the fetus. It's a systemic 
poison and a radiological poison. 
 
ICONOCLAST: What about the people in the United States that 
are here? You say that DU is being mixed and spread globally? 
 
MORET: Yes, it's being mixed globally. We're getting secondary 
smoke. It's the secondary smoke effect. You know the people 
who inhabit a room with smokers? They are getting that 
secondary smoke, and so are we. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Is that secondary smoke getting thicker as we 
speak? 
 
MORET: Yeah, the concentration of the depleted uranium 
particles in the atmosphere all around the globe is 
increasing. There are indications that the U.S. will go in 
June and bomb the heck out of Iran. We're monitoring the U.S. 
Army ammunition factories. They have very large orders for 
those huge bunker buster bombs that have 5,000 lbs. of DU in 
the warhead. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So the prognosis for America isn't really good? 
 
MORET: No, it's really bad. 
 
ICONOCLAST: And if this continues then? 
 
MORET: It's going to kill off the world's population. It 
already is, and it doesn't just effect people. It effects all 
living systems. The plants, the animals, the bacteria. It 
effects everything. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So the things that we eat for instance, if they 
have DU in them, then we'll just get it in our systems, and so 
we're polluting the oceans, so that could effect all marine 
life? 
 
MORET: Yes, it's in the air, water, and soil. The half-life of 
DU, Uranium 238, is 4.5 billion years the age of the Earth. 
 
ICONOCLAST: With the damage that's been done to this point, 
can we turn back? We can't clean it up? 
 
MORET: There's no way to clean it up. What happens is these 
tiny particles float around the Earth. There are still 
plutonium and uranium floating around the Earth from bomb 
testing. These particles are so tiny that molecules bumping 
into them keep them lofted in the air, and so the only way for 
them to get out of the atmosphere is rain, snow, fog, 
pollution, which will clear them out of the air and deposit 
them in the environment. What happens is the surface of these 
particles gets wetted by the moisture in the air. They come 
down and land on stuff and stick to it like a glue. You can't 
ever get the particles off whatever they're sticking to 
because have you ever put a drop of water on a microscope 
slide and then put another one on top of it? Can you pull 
those apart? 
 
ICONOCLAST: No. 
 
MORET: Okay, that's the same effect that happens to 
radioactive particles. Once they are removed from the 
atmosphere, they stick to any surfaces they land on. In a way 
they are removed from circulation from the atmosphere. You 
can't wash them off. If it keeps raining or they're in a 
creek, you know, if they're on rocks or stones or something in 
a creek, they won't even wash off. You didn't know it was this 
bad, did you? 
 
ICONOCLAST: No, I knew it was bad, but I thought it was fairly 
isolated. 
 
MORET: No. What is over there (in Iraq) is over here in about 
four days. I don't know if you followed Chernobyl. That big 
bubble of radiation went around and around the world, but this 
is dust. It becomes a part of atmospheric dust. Like the dust 
storm you saw in that photo, it goes everywhere. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Is it in the upper levels of the atmosphere or the 
lower levels? 
 
MORET: It's in lower orbital space. They brought the Mir 
spacecraft back down to Earth when they got done using it, and 
there was something called a space midge which covered the 
electronics on the outside of the spacecraft and protected it 
from radiation that comes from the sun because electronics are 
real vulnerable to radiation. They analyzed the surface of 
that space net and found uranium and uranium decayed products 
which they said came from atmospheric testing or burned up 
spacecraft with nuclear materials or nuclear reactors on 
board. Uranium can also come from supernovas, but they thought 
that the most likely sources were atmospheric testing and the 
nuclear materials we put in space. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Essentially then, you're saying that we're 
conducting a nuclear war. 
 
MORET: Yes, and that's exactly what it is. We've conducted 
four nuclear wars since 1991. Yeah, these are nuclear wars. DU 
is a nuclear weapon. 
 
ICONOCLAST: From the point of view of a scientist, what needs 
to happen to correct this? 
 
MORET: Well, we need to stop the use of it. We've built an 
international movement to stop the use, the manufacture, the 
storage, the sales, and the deployment of depleted uranium 
weapons. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Are the munitions we sell to other countries 
contained with depleted uranium? 
 
MORET: We have. In 1968 the first depleted uranium weapons 
systems that we found a patent for suddenly appeared in the 
U.S. patent office. It was for the Navy. It was sort of a 
Gatling gun style weapon system that you mounted on ships. It 
rapidly fires like 2,500 bullets a minute. It's over 3,000 
now. They've improved the design. Then in 1973, we gave 
depleted uranium weapons systems to the Israelis and 
supervised their use. They used them in the Arab-Israeli war 
and completely wiped out the Arabs in five days. Then the show 
was on the road. That was the first actual battlefield 
demonstration of this new weapon system. 
 
Hughes Aircraft developed the full-length system which is for 
the Navy. That's the Gatling gun system. They still use it. 
That was produced in 1974 and tested. Within six months the 
U.S. government had sold the DU weapons system to 12 entities 
which included many branches of the U.S. military and other 
counties. We've sold DU weapons systems to about - we don't 
know exactly for sure - it's been about 12 or 17 countries. 
The good news is that normally such a weapons system that 
effective would have been sold to 80, 100, or 120 countries by 
now. But because of the radiological, biological, and 
environmental hazard, countries were not only afraid to buy 
it, the ones who did buy it are afraid to use it. The only 
countries we know that have used DU are Britain, the U.S., and 
Israel. 
 
The United Nations in 1996 passed a resolution that depleted 
uranium weapons are weapons of mass destruction, and they are 
illegal under all international laws and treaties. 
 
In 2001, the European Parliament passed a resolution on DU. 
What happened is that the NATO forces went into Yugoslavia in 
1998 and '99 and flew 39,000 bombing runs and completely 
bombed Yugoslavia into radioactive rubble. 
 
Germany and the U.S. made the most money on the destruction of 
Yugoslavia, and they made sure that countries that didn't know 
about the DU, that the peacekeepers from those countries like 
from Italy and Portugal, were sent to the most contaminated 
regions in Yugoslavia. Germans and Americans didn't send their 
own troops into those areas. They were in the least 
contaminated areas. These poor soldiers from other countries 
came back and died within weeks or in a couple of days or 
months. The parents in Portugal and Italy are furious and went 
to the Parliament and media, and there was just a huge media 
storm of articles about DU. 
 
The cat was out of the bag because of the 1998 NATO invasion 
of Yugoslavia. The cat was out of the bag, but Japanese troops 
have been sent into Somawa. They're self-defense forces. It 
was the most contaminated area where the heaviest fighting 
happened in Iraq. We can expect those soldiers to be really, 
really sick. 
 
ICONOCLAST: What about Iraq itself? What's been done thus far? 
 
MORET: It's uninhabitable. The whole country. Yugoslavia, 
Iraq, and Afghanistan are completely uninhabitable. 
 
ICONOCLAST: But people live there, so they're going to live 
there suffering? 
 
MORET: Well, you can see from the birth defects and the 
illnesses that it is pretty severe. Each year the number of 
birth defects and illnesses will rise because of the total 
contamination levels in all living things will increase 
because they are breathing that air and drinking water and 
eating the food from contaminated soils. It's just a slow 
death sentence. The same with Yugoslavia and Afghanistan. 
 
Depleted uranium is a very, very, very effective biological 
weapon. This is the primary purpose for using it. Marion Falk 
(a retired chemical physicist who built nuclear bombs for more 
than 20 years at Lawrence Livermore lab), who is the Manhattan 
Project scientist I work with, taught me pretty much 
everything about radiation and particles and DU. He said the 
purpose of weapons used by the military is not only to injure 
and kill the enemy soldiers, but the purpose is to kill, maim, 
and disease the civilian population because it reduces the 
productivity of a country and pretty soon a lot of their 
resources are going to be used for taking care of sick people. 
They will have fewer and fewer healthy workers. 
 
Of course, once you cause mutation in the DNA, that damage is 
passed on to future generations of that affected person or 
animal or plant. DNA does not repair itself. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So the mutations would be probably destructive 
moreso than constructive. 
 
MORET: Oh, the mutations are causing those birth defects. 
 
ICONOCLAST: They're not evolutionary diseases? 
 
MORET: No, they are evolutionary. They are inherited by all 
future generations and passed on. It's like if you have red 
hair and all of your future generations will have that gene. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So if I had a precondition to heart disease 
because of the radiation, then the generation that would come 
after me would have the same problem? 
 
MORET: Well, if you damage the cell or parts of the cell or 
functioning of cells, that doesn't necessarily damage the DNA. 
There are two kinds of damage: one damages the cells of the 
living organism, and that may not be passed on, but if you 
damage the DNA in the egg or the sperm, that is passed on to 
all future generations. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So the guys coming back from the war, their sperm 
is probably going to be - 
 
MORET: Damaged. Yes. They also have depleted uranium in their 
semen. When they're intimate with their partners, they 
internally contaminate them with depleted uranium. The women 
become sick themselves. They have depleted uranium in their 
bodies, and there is something called burning syndrome. Just 
absolutely horrible. You can read about it in an article by 
David Rose in the December Vanity Fair. It's on the Internet. 
 
A friend of mine is the widow of a Canadian Gulf War veteran. 
David Rose interviewed her, and she griped about the burning 
semen. She said, "I had 20 condoms full of frozen peas in my 
freezer at all times, and after we were intimate, I would 
insert one into my vagina, and that is the only way I could 
bear the pain from the burning semen." And it goes through 
condoms, too. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Gosh, durn! 
 
MORET: Yeah, you should see the high school classes when I 
talk about the burning semen and the internal contamination. 
The girls' mouths go into little round Os, and the boys start 
panicking because they're like, "I'll never get sick!" 
(laughs) The name of this article is "Weapons of 
Self-Destruction." 
 
ICONOCLAST: How much DU will it take to kill off all known 
life on this planet? 
 
MORET: The amount of radiation released is certainly going to 
have a very, very profound global impact, and we're already 
seeing infant mortality increasing globally. The fetus is the 
most susceptible to radiation damage because all the cells are 
rapidly dividing, the limbs and the bodies developing, so when 
you start introducing toxic chemicals and radiation, it really 
damages the natural process of fetal development. 
 
The reason they were able to convince the Senate to sign the 
partial test ban treaty in 1963 was because of the increase in 
infant mortality. It had been dropping and declining two or 
three percent for quite a long time each year because of 
better prenatal care and educating mothers. 
 
Infant mortality started going up after the bombs were dropped 
on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, especially in the '50s when the big 
bomb testing started. By 1963, it was really obvious that the 
bomb testing globally was having a real impact on the unborn. 
They signed the partial test ban treaty. Russia and the U.S. 
stopped atmospheric testing, and the infant mortality rate 
started going down right away. They're going up again now. 
This is global radioactive pollution, and how long it would 
take to eliminate all life is something nobody knows, but the 
depleted uranium is a very, very effective biological weapon. 
There are two purposes for the military use of weapons. One is 
to destroy the enemy soldiers, and the other, which is just as 
important, is to destroy the enemy civilian population. By 
causing illnesses and disease, long lingering illnesses really 
impact the productivity and the economy of a country. It was 
Chernobyl and other nuclear disasters that actually destroyed 
the Soviet Union because the former Soviet Union is very, very 
sick from all the radiation that was released. They were much 
more sloppier than we were. 
 
I have a World Health Organization world health survey which 
they published in the Journal of American Medical Association 
last June. The impact of atmospheric testing is very, very 
apparent by the percentage of population in each country they 
investigated for some form of mental illness. For instance, 
Japan is 8.8 percent. Nigeria is very low - 4.7 percent. They 
have almost no radiation in Nigeria. In the Ukraine where they 
had the Chernobyl accident, it is 20.4 percent. Spain is at 
9.2 percent. Italy is 8.2 percent. It's pretty low because 
they don't have nuke plants. France is 75 percent reliant on 
nuclear power, so you have mental illness in 18.4 percent of 
the population. Mexico is at 12.2 percent, and the United 
States is at 26.3 percent - the highest rate of mental illness 
in the world. 
 
And George Bush and his siblings were all exposed in utero to 
bomb testing fallout in the United States. He had a toddler 
sister who died of leukemia when she was about three. 
 
I worked with a group called the Radiation And Public Health 
Project. Their website is <www.radiation.org>. We are all 
radiation specialists, well-known scientists, and independent 
scientists. We've collected 6,000 baby teeth around nuclear 
power plants and measured the radiation in them, and one of 
our members is the neighbor of the women who worked with all 
of the Bush children, including President Bush himself, 
because they had severe learning disabilities. 
 
ICONOCLAST: How do we know that the Bush children were 
exposed? 
 
MORET: By the year of their birth. The year they were carried 
by their mother. You have to look at how much bomb testing 
material was released into the atmosphere, and there's a 
direct correlation to the decline in SAT scores for all 
teenagers in the U.S. to the amount of radiation that was 
released into the atmosphere the year their mother was 
carrying them. These are delayed effects of radiation exposure 
in utero. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So they were living in Connecticut, but they were 
still feeling the effects of the radiation in Nevada? 
 
MORET: Two years ago the U.S. government admitted that every 
single person living in the United States between 1957 and 
1963 was internally exposed to radiation. So for any pregnant 
woman during those years, her fetus was exposed. 
 
ICONOCLAST: What type of radiation levels are we talking 
about? 
 
MORET: It's low levels, and the main pathways are drinking 
water and dairy products. It even killed the baby fish in the 
Atlantic. Strontium-90 is a man-made isotope that comes out of 
nuclear bombs and nuclear reactors. They measured the levels 
of strontium-90 in milk in Norway from the 1950s up until the 
1970s, and they measured the decline in the fishing catch in 
that same period, and as the strontium-90 increased in the 
milk in Norway, fishing catches declined. 
 
By 1963, when the U.S. tested a nuclear bomb almost every day 
(they did 250 tests in one year because the treaty was going 
to be signed), the fishing catch declined by 50 percent. In 
the Pacific, it declined 60 percent because there was Russian, 
Chinese, French, and U.S. testing in the Pacific. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So we're still eating those contaminated fish 
today. Has the genetic code been changed? 
 
MORET: The oceans are getting whatever is getting rained down, 
snowed down, or fogged down from the atmosphere. It's getting 
into the oceans. This big frog die-off, which is global, is 
certainly related to the radiation in the rainwater. It's a 
global nuclear holocaust. It effects all living things. That's 
why they call it "omnicide," which means it kills all living 
things - the plants, the animals, the bacteria. Everything. 
 
ICONOCLAST: You think we ought to have the Weather Channel 
report on the current sand storm conditions in Iraq so we can 
prepare four days in advance for the radiation? 
 
MORET: I'll tell you what I did when 9/11 happened. I called 
all the doctors with Radiation And Public Health Project, and 
I said, "Get out of town, and don't come back until it has 
rained three times." One lived 12 miles downwind from the 
Pentagon. She went out on her balcony with her geiger counter. 
I said, "Get that geiger counter out of your purse." We had 
just done a press conference in San Francisco, and I knew she 
had it in her purse. Well, the radiation levels were 8-10 
times higher than background. 
 
We called the EPA, HAZMAT, FBI, and said, "Get all those 
emergency response workers suited up. They need to be 
protected." Two days after 9/11, the EPA radiation expert for 
that region called back and said, "Yup, the Pentagon crash 
rubble was radioactive, and we believe it's depleted uranium, 
but we're not worried about that. It's only harmful if it's 
inhaled." He said, "We're worried about the lead solder in the 
plane." Well, you know what's in Tomahawk missiles? They have 
depleted uranium warheads. The radioactive crash rubble 
contaminated with DU is evidence of a DU warhead. 
 
ICONOCLAST: I did not think about that, but going back to my 
original question: Should the Weather Channel report for us on 
the toxic dust storms in Iraq? 
 
MORET: But how could people get away from them? These dust 
storms are a million square miles. They're huge, and they come 
right across the Atlantic, the Caribbean, and Texas coast 
line, and right up the East Coast. There are people who are 
going to leave the state every time there's a hurricane It's 
in the food, drinking water, dairy products, and then the 
problem with Uranium 238, which is 99.39 percent DU, is that 
it decays in over 20 steps into other radioactive isotopes. 
 
That's why I call it the "Trojan Horse." It's the weapon that 
keeps giving. It keeps killing. This is like smoking 
radioactive crack. It goes right in your nose. It crosses the 
olfactory bulb into your brain. It's a systemic poison. It 
goes everywhere. These particles that form at very high 
temperatures - 5,000-10,000 degrees C - are nanoparticles. 
They are a 10th of a micron or smaller. A 10th of a micron is 
100 times smaller than a white blood cell. They get picked up 
in the lipids and probably the cholesterol and go right 
through the cell membranes of the cell. They screw up the cell 
processes. They screw up the signaling between the cells 
because the cells all talk to each other and coordinate what 
they're doing. It messes up brain function. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Do you know what Iraq was like before the first 
Gulf War? 
 
MORET: Iraq prior to the 1991 Gulf War was the most advanced 
in the entire Middle East. They had scrupulous databases of 
the health problems and disease rates, which is why the U.S. 
bombed all of the offices in the Ministry of Health. We 
destroyed all those records so that a pre-Gulf War health base 
could not be established to show how much these diseases have 
increased. This would concern the U.S. in terms of 
compensation for war crimes. 
 
In these horrible U.N. sanctions, they (the Iraqis) could 
never get all of the protocol medicine for the treatment of 
leukemia. They (the U.N.) would say, "These steps of the 
leukemia treatment were components in weapons, so you can't 
have that." They never gave the people the full proper 
protocols in the areas of treatment they needed to get rid of 
the leukemia. It hid the effects of the depleted uranium 
because the children were starving. They had malnutrition. 
They had the healthiest population in the Middle East (prior 
to Gulf War I). 
 
ICONOCLAST: Let's talk about the children of Iraq. 
 
MORET: After the Gulf War, they had maybe one baby a week born 
with birth defects in the hospitals in Basra. Now they are 
having 10-12 a day. The levels of uranium are increasing in 
the population every year. Every day, people are eating and 
drinking while the whole environment is contaminated. Just 
what you'd expect. There are more babies born with birth 
defects, and the birth defects are getting more and more 
severe. 
 
An Iraqi doctor told me that babies are being born now that 
are lumps of flesh. She said that they don't have heads or 
legs or arms. It's just a lump of flesh. This also happened to 
populations that were not removed from islands in the Pacific 
when the bomb tests occurred. Basically, governments were 
using them as guinea pigs. 
 
ICONOCLAST: So all the countries that were equipped with 
nuclear weapons are guilty of those atrocities. 
 
MORET: They were all doing it. France, Russia. China, and the 
U.S. And I'm not sure if Britain did bomb testing. They were 
real low key about it. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Where are the radiation hot spots in the United 
States? 
 
MORET: In the United States, it would be within a 100 miles of 
nuclear power plants. We have 110 nuclear power plants in the 
U.S. We have the most of any country in the world, but only a 
103 are operating. Almost all of the entire East Coast. 
 
What we did was we took government data from the Centers of 
Disease Control on breast cancer deaths between 1985 and 1989. 
Anywhere from within a 100 miles of a nuclear power plant is 
where two-thirds of all breast cancer deaths occurred in the 
U.S. between 1985 and 1989. It's also around the nuclear 
weapons laboratories. That would be Los Alamos in New Mexico, 
the Idaho Nuclear Engineering Lab in Idaho, and Hanford in 
Washington State, which is where they got the plutonium for 
all the bombs. They contaminated the entire Columbia River 
watershed and almost the whole state of Washington. 
 
It gets into the water and into the plants and into the 
vegetation. If you eat clams or mussels or crabs or things 
like that, even certain kinds of fish that eat off of the mud 
at the bottom of the river, you have much higher levels of 
radiation in your tissues. It depends on each person and on 
how healthy they are, but this man from Washington State died 
suddenly. He was in his late 40s. They did an autopsy, and he 
was full of radioactive zinc. They went, "Where in the world 
did he get this? It only comes from nuclear bombs and nuclear 
reactors." They studied his diet and discovered he loved to 
eat oysters. They found out where he bought his oysters and 
found the oyster beds. They were 200 miles off shore, from 
Washington State. The radiation was being carried off out to 
sea from the coastline. It was passing over this oyster bed. 
The oysters were just gobbling them up. 
 
ICONOCLAST: What are the symptoms of DU poisoning? 
 
MORET: Soldiers on the battlefield have reported a metallic 
taste in their mouth. That's the actual taste of the uranium 
metal. Then within 24-48 hours, soldiers on the battlefield 
have reported that they felt sick. They start getting muscle 
aches, and they lose energy. Some of them came back 
incontinent. In other words, in adult diapers. 
 
One woman reported that the first night home, she wanted to be 
intimate with her husband, but she had absolutely no feeling. 
She couldn't feel anything from the waist down. This 
particulate matter damages the neuromuscular system, the 
nerves; it just goes everywhere. And there's no treatment for 
it. These particles are very, very insoluble, so they can't 
even dissolve in body fluids, so they can be excreted from the 
body. Then they keep releasing. Even when uranium decays, it 
turns into another radioactive isotope. So it's a particle 
that just sits there shooting bullets until you die. 
 
Another problem is that soldiers have crumbling teeth. Teeth 
just start falling apart. The uranium replaces calcium in the 
calcium-phosphate structure of the teeth. Some have complained 
about grand mal seizures, cerebral palsy. Some diseases 
reported at very high rates in Air Force and Army soldiers are 
Parkinson's disease, Lou Gehrig's disease, and Hodgkin's 
disease. This is damage to the mitochondria in the cells and 
the nerves. The mitochondria make all the energy for the body, 
so when you damage mitochondria, another symptom is chronic 
fatigue syndrome. There's just not enough energy produced by 
the body to function normally. 
 
I found a study in the SanDia Nuclear Weapons Laboratory 
employee newsletter in September 2003. They are doing major 
studies in mitochondrial disfunction related to Lou Gehrig's, 
Hodgkin's, and Parkinson's diseases for veterans. Since it's 
at a nuclear weapon's lab, they are fully aware of the health 
damage. 
 
ICONOCLAST: Tell me about the tests that detect for DU in the 
body. 
 
MORET: The chromosome test in the best indicator. It's $5,000. 
The urine test is a $1,000. If you test positive with the 
urine test, you know you're contaminated. If you test 
negative, it does not mean that you're not contaminated. It 
just means that you may or may not be contaminated but enough 
hasn't dissolved in your blood stream to go through your 
kidneys to be excreted in your urine. Anyone who goes now 
cannot avoid being contaminated. Anyone. Anyone. Anyone. 
Everyone who goes to the Middle East and Afghanistan will be 
contaminated. 
 
The DU issue affects every single living thing on this planet. 
What else has that impact? They have altered the genome for 
the entire planet forever with this DU. The Pentagon people 
say, "You're exaggerating or you use the uranium word to scare 
people." I don't care if people believe me or not. All I can 
say is that over time what I am saying will actually be an 
underestimation of the long term effects. 
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